So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Let us know your story and share your photos. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Well they are the same. 1957. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Okay. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Here it is. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. Right. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. I can't. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. They don't know the direction they're going. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. We had six copies printed out each. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Tell us your story. Mike thanks for your call. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. John. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Yeah I did. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. N.H. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. I just want to tell you a story that I read. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Okay. Sam. I don't know if she still is. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Chartered: 1973 . Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. Think you've seen a mountain lion? Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. It's listed as population of least concern. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. 44-N Links. Good morning guys. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. About Lions. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. So now what's going on. Post your sightings and NH photos here! Do cougars live in New England?
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