swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. 7.8 gr Blue Dot 1,170 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 7.0 gr Pressure: 15,700 4.5 gr Bullseye 1,085 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr Pressure: 14,900 If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. Anyway, you are probably right that the revolver guys trend towards the older end of the spectrum, but I think some of the younger guys are starting to catch on to the magic of wheel guns. 38 Special +P 18,500 Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. At one time or another, I also owned and shot a M38 Bodyguard (nka the 638), a M37 Chiefs Special (now the 637), a M60 (which is a tad heavier but no more user-friendly), and a couple of others. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. It is also one of the most pleasurable loads a shooter can touch off. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges you'd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. is a good place to start. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. 158 gr. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. 1.455 in. Loading 38 special for best accuracy - Revolver Forum - Brian Enos's Ive been shooting them for 50 years. Now, you have to go to a range or have a membership and pay to fill the backstop with lead. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. 38 special 125 grain load data unique - The Geocaching Junkie I routinely use only two powders: Trail Boss and Titegroup. Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. 2.) RN, 158 gr. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. In my time with the cartridge, I have come to appreciate the mid to low end of the power spectrum and thus have made extensive use of Trail Boss powder and bullets such as Hornadys .358 158gr SWC. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. JHP, 158 gr. Titegroup and 125gr 38 Special Load Data The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Based on this Id load some at 3.3 and 3.5 and see what you get, but Id never exceed 3.8 ever. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. 38 Special Loads - Bullseye Forum It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. What I learned after 50 years of shooting and reloading 38spl cases some where around 100 thousands rounds. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company 2 and No. I am way shy of 70 years old and I love me some .38 Special. less to start.) As example, 5.8 6.0 grains UNIQUE with a 125 grain HP in a snub nose .357 revolver. Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. I will always love the 38 SPL (never cared much for 357 Mag), but that 3 seven shot Charter with both 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Mag is truly the bees knees. So you only hang onto the primer boxes loosely? I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. . Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. I may have to rethink my plan. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. Posted March 2, 2013. Horrible 5-12" groups at 25 yds. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. SWC, 160 gr. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. That sounds. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation. Maybe once a year I would reset everything to load up a few hundred .38 Spl for the wifes Detective Special, then right back to .357. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. Damn. .38 Special Load Data - PowderThrough.com I once rented a Ruger LCR in .38 Special. My usual 38 Spl load is a 125 gr plated bullet over 5 grains of bullseye. Dec 18, 2011. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. 8.) I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. Extremely light loads for 38 Special revolver - The Firearms Forum 110gr JHP! 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. (bullseyeforum.net). I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. Great to get the Mrs out there! The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. Ive been looking for a reason to get into reloading, and am particularly intrigued by the extremely long case life of .38 Special. This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. Just want to state for the record, that with one of the more heavy duty Corbin presses it is possible to easily swage some hard cast bullets. There really is a recently developed technology that prevents leading, while eliminating messy lubricants. And this is a guy who normally trusted nothing but a 45 acp. These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. 3.7gr WST with Zero 158 SWC did the job for me. Over 20,000 rounds, Ive found that theres rarely a wrong way to do .38 SPL. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. Hornady 115-grain HAPs over 4.4 grains of Bullseye alongside 25-yard timed-fire target. Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. 9mm 125 grain RN Lead Hard Cast Bullet. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. The .327 Fed Mag is IT! No sh!t. I have loaded wadcutters for plinking , Double end 148 grain,, mixed brass over 2.7 gn WST or Bullseye. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. Alliant Powder - Bullseye If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. It is less of an issue on a progressive press, but still requires attention. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. Im new to loading the 38 for accuracy, but the biggest issue I found with case length is your crimp. . Last time we took it to the range, I was trying to cycle the old +P ammo to load standard Lehigh ammo, I fired one shot, put the gun down and cursed while shaking my hand. Unique or Bulseye for .38 special / .357 mag - Cast Bullet Forum Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. These types of guns are not as strong as more modern solid frame revolvers. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. I can get away with using it as cast w/ alox. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. 300 Blackout Fine-Tuning: Finding the Right Barrel Length for Your Rifle. Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. Thanks to all for the info. Loath and Loathe are different words that mean different things. Thats what the Cavalry Board asked for over a century ago, and thats what weve got. Hmm. There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. 1.455 in. Forget about it. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. This is not loaded 9mm ammo. (Patrick Sweeney photo) September 15, 2021 By Michelle Hamilton, Field Editor. It would have been too hot. Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. Plated bullets are to be loaded as lead bullets. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? Any discussion of Bullseye is incomplete without mentioning a few of the downsides. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. 7.) I find the Pachmayr Compac grips on my 640 reduce the slap of full-boat .357 to less than that on my 3 M65 (w/ wood Altamont grips) or my 4 686 (Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips.) While I wish I could carry a 5 .45 WITNESS with several 10 round mags, as a senior citizen, the S&W J frame is my user friendly alternate. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Its like a pellet gun with a little noise and smoke if using black powder. I am using this load in some .38 specials. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Not all guns are created equal. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. Hornady Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. Which left me with the last two. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. Paste as plain text instead, The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! 38 special loads - Bullseye Forum My guess would be almost identical, straight wall, not high pressure, definitely. 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved - AR-15 Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. I use 3 gr. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. Load data to make power factor 38 special - Revolver Forum - Brian Enos In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. You need a .357 Magnum revolver if you want to try a 9MM cylinder. Its hard to find those swaged SWCs and hollow point bullets anyone; it seems everyone is only interested in hard cast for velocity and penetration. So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. 357 LCR in 3 inch variant. Robert Frost. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. I reached an interesting number the other day. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. Just look for a lead remover tool with bronze screens. I thought the DR program was NRA, not CMP. JHP, 125 gr. No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. In fact, Hornady's handloading manual includes .357-inch bullets in the load data for the .38 Super, specifically 125-grain and 140-grain XTP bullets, along with .355-inch bullets, and their one remaining .356-inch bullet, the 125-grain HAP. I bought him as a gift a 642 with the black rubber grips, a few speedloaders w/big knob tops, and Hornady 125 grain FTX loads. I carry 38 /357 every day have used them in real world shootings. Yeah no. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! 1.) But not too tough. Hornady I was looking through the Lyman 49th edition reloading manual and see the bullets you are talking about. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. Note: More and more test are conducted with all rounds fired with powder UP against the primer for each shot, or DOWN on the bullet for each shot, then gently bring to horizontal to shoot. Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. A 158 SWCHP at 850-875 fps from a snub. Power Pistol won't work for me. Boolit Grand Master. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. I had enough, The Model 1911 pistol will officially turn 100 years old on May 5, 2011. Good shootin! How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. 2, No. Starting being near 3gr - ish. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. 4.2 gr. 4.2 gr. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. IIRC, I used 4.5 gr of Bullseye under a 125 gr lead bullet for a light plinker, and 5.6 gr of Bullseye under a 148 gr wadcutter (~815 fps, 4" bbl, probably around 750 fps out of a snub). These loads are for my wife's revolver. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. Down-loading .38 special These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. I like Bullseye in the 38 Special, and it was a consistent performer with the 125 grain bullets. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. 5 are good choices. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. The swaged bullets are soft enough that they expand even at mild velocities where a JHP or hard cast cant. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). There is a difference in the manufacturing process of swaged bullets. Did you cross post the bullet weight? 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp - The Firing Line Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. Therefore, .38 Special +P ammo can be as much as 17.5 percent hotter than standard .38 Special. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. Like Wobbly. Accurates No. Midway has it in stock. The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. Lucky me. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). Main fame for the .38 is now the J frame size revolvers, as a CCW gun. 358430 (195 grain) round nose bullet that was used in the old 200 grain police loads as there is always interest in these. Use data for weight. Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. . A gun on you always works better than the gun left at home. Home About Partners Contact. Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). with #2 Lyman duplicate. Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. They are low because of swaged bullets. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. Swaged bullets do not have the hardness of poured (cast) lead. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . That little 9 oz. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. Minnesota. 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. 6.) The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. I estimate that the price for each of the three loads runs between $7 and $8 per box of 50. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The All-American .38 Special | Load Data Article 38 Special 125 gr XTP - Hornady Manufacturing, Inc Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. is so simple. As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. Reloading The .38 Special - Reload Ammo I dont miss lubing casescarbide is king! Recoil was so nasty that I quit after five shots and saved the rest of the box for my 6 Model 19 .357. LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. Good thing I didn't go with the original powder charge I intended to use. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. The bullets are seated flush in the case. Especially if you reload. The Lyman is handy for sizing or priming while youre watching a movie. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. Thats not quite how that works. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. This too is useful information. I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today.
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